Ellen ([info]ennienyc) wrote,
@ 2008-06-26 02:41:00
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Cutthroat Crosswords
Orange's blog recently added a place for readers to enter solving times for the NYT and NYS puzzles. I've been inputting my NY Sun times without first looking at everyone else's and darn, Dan Feyer (Winner of the C Division as Ryan and Brian always say) is the new Howard Barkin (Knower of All Things per R&B), coming up swiftly from nowhere to beat me most of the time. In fact, Dan even has a Tyler-like video (minus Tyler's obnoxious commenters) solving an old NYT online in 1:44.

Makes me feel old and slow (those inevitably go together). But who knows, next February the speedsters could fail to check crossings and make careless mistakes. And I wouldn't be that upset if their planes couldn't get here (evil grin). Oh wait, most of them won't be flying.

Since I solve the NYT on paper while proofreading, my times aren't comparable to applet or Across Lite speed demons. On the other hand, when I first solve, the proofreading is minimal. I read all the clues as always, but don't read them carefully or check cross-references or make sure I fully understand everything (I do circle accents or potential typographical trouble spots, but that doesn't eat up much time). Careful checking doesn't happen until I make the Across Lite file and solve a second time.

So as of Thursday's puzzle I started recording my NYT times on Amy's blog as well. If nothing else, people may feel comforted that I'm so slow. Today's not bad, but there may be times I'm considerably off the pace.

I'll resolve now to post regularly no matter how bad my times seem unless 1) I'm unable to get online in time, or 2) I didn't time the puzzle (occasionally I'm interrupted by a phone call or visitor or just forget to note the starting time).

So Dan, Howard, Tyler, Amy, Byron, Al, Stella, Doug P. (who research shows is deadbydawn) and some mystery people (zachugly?), I expect to feel humbled.


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[info]crossword_fiend
2008-06-26 05:13 pm UTC (link)
Damn, deadbydawn isn't an applet cheater? *sigh* Doug and Dan's times are really irksome!

I really wish there were a really tough puzzle in the mix for the tournament. Will got lambasted for using Byron's super-tricky puzzle 5 a couple years ago, but a really tough puzzle can really shake out the competitors. I think I could be competitive on any finals puzzle, but I can't get the chance to demonstrate that when speed demons who can whiz through easier puzzles have seven not-so-hard tournament puzzles in which to demonstrate their technical speed. You know what I mean, En? I'd like the ACPT standings to reflect skill on killer puzzles and not just speed and accuracy on easy to mid-range puzzles. But I suppose the tournament organizers don't want to send hundreds of people way feeling vanquished by puzzle 5 because then they might not spend any money on the tournament the following year.

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[info]ericberlin
2008-06-26 06:09 pm UTC (link)
There's more than one way for a puzzle to be difficult. Byron's 5 was difficult because it used a double-handful of words that would have struck the grid dead had it been submitted to the Times -- even under Maleska. To my mind, the perfect 5 was Merl's from two years ago, the X/Y switcheroo. A very tricky conceit, and the faster you caught on to what was happening, the better you fared -- but even then, less-than-expert solvers had to proceed with caution lest they fall into one of the X/Y traps. That was not an easy puzzle. It was not a mid-range puzzle. It was damn hard, even though it didn't rely on randomly knowing the name of a Polish ballerina's understudy.

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[info]crossword_fiend
2008-06-27 12:24 am UTC (link)
I don't think the scores for Merl's X/Y puzzle bear out your "damn hard" designation. The scores for it look to be higher than for puzzle 5 in 2005 (Kahn) and 2008 (was that Shenk?), which would lead me to call it easier than the usual puzzle 5.

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(Anonymous)
2008-06-26 11:18 pm UTC (link)
Ah, was wondering who deadbydawn was! (I worked on "Evil Dead: The Musical"...) Glad to know it's the Crossword Gentleman and Man About Town. I actually did a bit of "research" on "zachugly" and found a Zack Butler who's been in the top 10 of several tournaments... he's not ugly but that's probably him.

I've said it before, but you all needn't worry about my paper skills (yet)... have only rarely finished a NYT-level 15x15 in under 3 minutes. I do kind of wish Peter ran the ACPT instead of Will, because I'm much more on his cluing wavelength...
Dan

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[info]bozhawk
2008-06-26 11:53 pm UTC (link)
Nope, not an applet cheater, just a guy with a strange username. :) I picked deadbydawn because it's the subtitle of one of my favorite cheesy movies (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0092991/). But that was years ago, and it seems kind of weird now. I don't think there's anyway to change it, so I'm stuck with it.

It's true, I can challenge Amy on the early-week puzzles, but I rarely approach her times on the themelesses. The harder they are, the faster she cracks them. Amy, if you ever make it to the A Finals, I definitely won't bet against you!

-Doug P.

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(Anonymous)
2008-06-29 10:23 pm UTC (link)
Hey En. As a confirmed middle-of-the-pack solver, I agree with the Fiend. I was one of those who was vanquished by Byron's # 5 (though I like to think I'd fare better today) - and, Eric, I did well with the X/Y. On the toughest Saturday puzzles I might luck into some ins where I happen to know something and do surprisingly well - but I'll still have the occasional Saturday with a blank corner or a few missing teeth. Those, of course, might give the top solvers slight pause, but they will almost always fill every square...and that's the type of puzzle that should help make the difference in a given race. I do think that it's so subjective (what exactly constitutes a super-tough puzzle) that Will and co. would be hard-pressed to do better with the selection: it will vary year to year, just as the puzzles do week to week/day to day.

Before I leave the thread at that, I do think that Byron in particular, with his non-computer-assisted grids, is the most likely to confound as he will more often than not have phrases and words that have rarely, if ever, been seen by the top solvers in a NYT puzzle. When those little bits of fill are no longer "gimmes", or crossings send a good many solvers to run the alphabet to find a letter, it's probably due to the rarely-seen-in-crosswords nature of the entry and/or clue as opposed to its just being a rarely seen word in print - if that makes sense.

Well, back to my (unintentionally) leisurely solving!

Tony O.

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